Comments on: Who should be allowed to start? Discussion about new WTC rules. http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/ 2008 Olympian & 7th at 2009 Ironman World Championships in Hawaii Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:51:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Dirk http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-292 Dirk Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:07:35 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-292 @Marko: Strange rules out there.... @Marko: Strange rules out there….

]]> By: Marko http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-289 Marko Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:28:22 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-289 @Dan, 1 dopingtest (without bloodtest) is around 350-400 USD, at least was a few years ago. But yes, its a good point that age-groupers testing is paid by the pros :) Athletes have paid their own testing, but it has been always voluntary. You would like to prove you are clean, pay some money and we come and visit you and make your life more unconfortable :) @Dan, 1 dopingtest (without bloodtest) is around 350-400 USD, at least was a few years ago. But yes, its a good point that age-groupers testing is paid by the pros :)
Athletes have paid their own testing, but it has been always voluntary. You would like to prove you are clean, pay some money and we come and visit you and make your life more unconfortable :)

]]> By: Dan http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-270 Dan Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:40:19 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-270 So who's paying for AG testing? Seems like it's the pros. How is that fair? Also, what exactly does $750 get you? I hear a drug test cost around $2000. Does this mean half of the pros will be tested once a year? In what other sport do professional athletes have to pay for their own drug testing? Triathletes are some of the most poorly paid professionals and now they are being asked to fork over $750 to pay for their own test? Do baseball, basketball, track and field athletes pay for their own testing? It's awesome that they are trying to test more, but their plan to get it done sucks. This clearly wasn't thought out properly. So who’s paying for AG testing? Seems like it’s the pros. How is that fair? Also, what exactly does $750 get you? I hear a drug test cost around $2000. Does this mean half of the pros will be tested once a year?

In what other sport do professional athletes have to pay for their own drug testing? Triathletes are some of the most poorly paid professionals and now they are being asked to fork over $750 to pay for their own test? Do baseball, basketball, track and field athletes pay for their own testing? It’s awesome that they are trying to test more, but their plan to get it done sucks. This clearly wasn’t thought out properly.

]]> By: Dirk http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-265 Dirk Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:45:12 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-265 @Ben:Hi thanks for your comment. Great about the AG testing. I agree, no idea how many people signed up...so if someone has something to hide then they might just wait till the very last moment to sign up. The problem seems pretty obvious and hopefully it's not a free ride for some... again thanks for sharing your comment and your nice words about my Hawaii results- I will do better in 2010! @Ben:Hi thanks for your comment. Great about the AG testing. I agree, no idea how many people signed up…so if someone has something to hide then they might just wait till the very last moment to sign up. The problem seems pretty obvious and hopefully it’s not a free ride for some…
again thanks for sharing your comment and your nice words about my Hawaii results- I will do better in 2010!

]]> By: Ben http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-264 Ben Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:52:18 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-264 At the Geelong 70.3 race last weekend they were testing some AG athletes which is about a first. However I agree that there has been no discussion over who has paid and who hasn't. To be honest I can't imagine that rece directors are going to say no to pro's racing if they haven't paid within the 3 month limit. They 'may' but I am sure that the licence hasn't been paid by a lot of pro's. What does that really mean then? They haven't been subjected to drug testing until the race itself? Kind of defeats the purpose and makes it unfair for others who signed up months earlier. At the Geelong 70.3 race last weekend they were testing some AG athletes which is about a first. However I agree that there has been no discussion over who has paid and who hasn’t. To be honest I can’t imagine that rece directors are going to say no to pro’s racing if they haven’t paid within the 3 month limit. They ‘may’ but I am sure that the licence hasn’t been paid by a lot of pro’s. What does that really mean then? They haven’t been subjected to drug testing until the race itself? Kind of defeats the purpose and makes it unfair for others who signed up months earlier.

]]> By: Dirk http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-262 Dirk Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:24:25 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-262 @Marko: I hear you man. I used to get free starts too, and prequalified for Hawaii, so where is the point for me to pay 750$- for what? That sucks, but my main point is to secure clean athletes on the start line. There should only athletes be allowed to race that are in a testing pool months in advance before racing Ironman events (ona pro level- or do you suddenly become a pro over night??). I have been in a pool for so many years and why should I personally pay the WTC to test me as well...that's total non sense!I get tested from already 3 different institutions. So you are right about that! My main point is just that everyone needs to be in a testing pool prior to racing- obviously and not at the athletes expense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here with us! @Marko: I hear you man. I used to get free starts too, and prequalified for Hawaii, so where is the point for me to pay 750$- for what? That sucks, but my main point is to secure clean athletes on the start line. There should only athletes be allowed to race that are in a testing pool months in advance before racing Ironman events (ona pro level- or do you suddenly become a pro over night??). I have been in a pool for so many years and why should I personally pay the WTC to test me as well…that’s total non sense!I get tested from already 3 different institutions. So you are right about that! My main point is just that everyone needs to be in a testing pool prior to racing- obviously and not at the athletes expense.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts here with us!

]]> By: Marko http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-261 Marko Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:12:49 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-261 Hi Dirk. I dont support at all the decision. What does it mean, we will do more doping test IF you'll pay for it yourself. I dont find it fare for the athletes. Shouldnt a company that earns big money do something about the flagship (aka pro athletes). And now the registration details are so foggy as well. A lot can happen in 6 months. I'll may be still be injured in April and have no outlook in Championships in Nov, so what I pay 750$ on just hope? Now every little expence comes at a very high price for the athlets who come from not so rich countries. So before we had a chance that race orgamiser will give us at least a free start and another $ saved. Now that 750$ will be money just spent. And if you are keen on your championship goals you dont race this much. So 750 + another raceentry for Hawaii/Clearwater. As a US resindent I can see the point to pay this money, you have a wild nr of races. In Europe you have only a number of 70,3 races and Ironmans and they are all during very short time. Ok enough said. I dont think WTC will consider anything, because there are not enough athletes to fight it and frankly I think they just dont care. Hi Dirk.
I dont support at all the decision. What does it mean, we will do more doping test IF you’ll pay for it yourself. I dont find it fare for the athletes. Shouldnt a company that earns big money do something about the flagship (aka pro athletes). And now the registration details are so foggy as well. A lot can happen in 6 months. I’ll may be still be injured in April and have no outlook in Championships in Nov, so what I pay 750$ on just hope?
Now every little expence comes at a very high price for the athlets who come from not so rich countries. So before we had a chance that race orgamiser will give us at least a free start and another $ saved. Now that 750$ will be money just spent. And if you are keen on your championship goals you dont race this much. So 750 + another raceentry for Hawaii/Clearwater. As a US resindent I can see the point to pay this money, you have a wild nr of races. In Europe you have only a number of 70,3 races and Ironmans and they are all during very short time.
Ok enough said. I dont think WTC will consider anything, because there are not enough athletes to fight it and frankly I think they just dont care.

]]> By: Dirk http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-251 Dirk Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:51:59 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-251 @Jaakko: Thanks for sharing the same thinking here...we will see where that road will lead to. Hope all is well with training! @Jaakko: Thanks for sharing the same thinking here…we will see where that road will lead to. Hope all is well with training!

]]> By: Jaakko http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/comment-page-1/#comment-249 Jaakko Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:36:07 +0000 http://www.liveandlettri.com/2010/02/05/iscussion-about-the-new-wtc-memebrship-fees-and-anti-doping-program/#comment-249 I think rules (no matter how confusing) are rules and anyone that is willing to play needs to obey the rules. WITH NO EXCEPTIONS! And also the people setting the rules need to do their share of the deal! I think rules (no matter how confusing) are rules and anyone that is willing to play needs to obey the rules. WITH NO EXCEPTIONS! And also the people setting the rules need to do their share of the deal!

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